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  Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??

  by FeelingFree in

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  2. child-abuse

  i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.

  as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.

  maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.

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  Going to untrained elders first is stupid. Always go to the authorities first. Never seek advice in child care issues from an elder with a sixth grade education.

  If the abuser was a Witness, the response afterward is, "there is an active criminal investigation. I cannot discuss this with you until it is concluded."

  If the abuser is found guilty, the elders are in a bind. They can't ignore it even if they want. Take no nonsense from them. If they press you say, "I'm obligated to report this conversation to the investigating officers and to the prosecutor."
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  Help me keep this site active

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

  the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

  maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Juan, the site isn't mine. it belongs to the authors of A Separate Identity, a history of the Watch Tower's early years. I am a fan of their research and have scanned material from my own collection for them. I think their project is worth while. I want to keep it going.
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  Help me keep this site active

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

  the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

  maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  What does my opinion have to do with their blog? Isn't that silly?
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  Help me keep this site active

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

  the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

  maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  The watch tower history blog is the best out there. The owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits. Maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  i thought all the embarssing books were supposed to be thrown out?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a look in the library last meeting and my hall still has all the bound volumes going right back to the beginning.

  including studies in the scriptures.

  i thought the order from on high was that these were to be destroyed or taken away?

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  We had a Circuit Overseer order us to remove the book Pator Russell's Sermons because it was published by the People's Pulpit Association, in his view an apostate organization. Someone should have taken a photograph of his face when he was shown that the current name of the People's Pulpid Association is Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, inc. The book is still in the KH library and he's long gone out of the Circuit Work.
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  new assembly experience... what do you reckon to this one?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok so aparently there was this young girl who wanted to study with the jw's because she loved the bible so much.

  she asked her fathers permission but he refused, after much nagging though he said she could have a study if she was prepared to have one of her fingers chopped off.

  he thought the is would stop her but she was willing so he got a knife and cut off one of her fingers... a little while later she wanted to attend the meetings and he said no and again when nagged said she could attend meetings if she had another finger chopped off so she agreed and he chopped off a second finger.

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  crazy enough it could happen, but i vote for outright lie.
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  Embarrassed and Glassy-Eyed stop by

  by wheelwithinwheel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  two brothers doing the territory stopped in at my place.

  i kept them on the step.

  after some hellos and catching up, i said so you folks are on tv now.

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  All the current push is an updated version of the Millennial Dawn puzzles they left in hotels in the early 1900s.
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  A QUESTION FOR JW'S who say, "The brothers were overly zealous" about 1975

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "what was the actual significance of that year, then?".

  if jw's were overly zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the wts for a non-event which took up.

  over 7 years of every jw's time?.

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  One of my children wasn't supposed to start kindergarten because Moses was in the wilderness for 40 years and 40 years from 1914 was about to run out. It was a widely spread speculation among Witnesses. It's a form of insanity, I think.
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  Warwick Building Project Fluff Stories

  by bruh2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  talking about an article that makes you want to throw-up in your mouth- wt-study jan 15, 2015 the offered themselves willingly.. amazing the psych job of selling your business, moving your entire family, quiting your job to be a "temporary" worker at the new world headquarters!.

  throw your livelyhood away only to get the "feeling" that jehovahs is blessing you!

  i wish there was away to track the psych job during patterson and other major projects of what happened to all the "friends" that sold and got rid of their livelyhood then and where are they now.. did you ever sacrifce it all for a building project only to be left with nothing after your "spiritual high"?.

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  Old Goat

  My wife and I lived in poverty for about seven years for the privilge of being shuffled from place to place to pioneer and help struggling congregations. It was a total waste. I finally woke to the futility and abuse and went back to teaching.
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  In your opinion: What is the average IQ of the Governing Body?

  by LogCon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't know if this question has been asked before,.

  but, in any case,.

  based on the comments of the governing body, at various conventions, annual meetings , info-mmercials, etcetara, etcetara, etcetera, [ i loved yule brenner in the king and i],.

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  A high IQ doesn't mean one holds rational beliefs. On average, I'd say they have an IQ of 140. That is typical of a post graduate student. Most of them are autodidacts, self-taught. I don't think the issue is their IQ. The issue is the framework within which they work and reason.